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Post by capdude on Jul 13, 2008 14:50:44 GMT
I think its like normal life. Jobs probably came before school. But everything you mentioned I agree with. Sounds all plausible
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Post by 506 on Jul 13, 2008 18:28:33 GMT
Check my first post here, I mentioned how it may have been structered before military organization.
And just to summerize it here, it would have been like early military forces. Groups of people skilled in warfare fighting in disorganized barbarian hordes.
After all, it's obvious that Soul Society is effected plenty by the outside world.
And bringing up another point, how old is Soul Society?
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Post by capdude on Jul 13, 2008 18:47:19 GMT
How old is the soul soceity. Thats like asking how old is heaven.
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Post by Choco on Aug 15, 2008 12:52:45 GMT
Well, speaking of Ikkaku, and this question would be in two shady regions here, first it's not quite on-topic and second it'd only be speculation, but remember how Ikkaku freaked out when he'd seen that Ichigo had possession of his Zanpakuto? I'd think the implications of that reaction would be pretty far-reaching, if you know what I mean.
*Braces for Torthammer rant and general outcry on how I'm reading too much into one incident*
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Post by metalgearray on Aug 15, 2008 14:07:42 GMT
Maybe Yamamoto just wanted to increase the standards, and felt he could do a cool job just from training them better.
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Post by The Tortured Soul on Aug 16, 2008 4:38:02 GMT
but remember how Ikkaku freaked out when he'd seen that Ichigo had possession of his Zanpakuto? I'd think the implications of that reaction would be pretty far-reaching, if you know what I mean. What are you refering too here exactly? Ikkaku has never freaked out about Ichigo having a Zanpakuto... he reacted slightly when he found out he was Trained by Urahara... is that what you meant? I'm a little confused! *Braces for Torthammer rant and general outcry on how I'm reading too much into one incident* Just healthy discussion I can't help it that some get crushed by my overwhelming knowledge, but people do make some good points that i agree with. Generally it's all speculation anyway untill Kubo puts an explanation in the Manga! As for reading into small things... hell this is Japanese Manga it's complicated shit, so read into as little detail as you like. On another forum people were discussing the importance of a foot we see following Aizen before his fake death and whether this meant he had a spy he left behind in the Seireitei... In the end they concluded it was probably just Gin and was included for dramatic effect. But Anime plots are so confusing and complicated looking into tiny details is sometimes the only way to reveal future plot twists!
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Post by Choco on Aug 16, 2008 4:49:35 GMT
No, after Ikkaku got beaten to an unconscious pulp and came back to, is what I meant. Ichigo had taken Ikkaku's, at least for a little bit.
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Post by The Tortured Soul on Aug 16, 2008 5:25:27 GMT
oh right yes, I understand now... We know people can use Soul Slayers that aren't their own, take Tosen for example. Though I doubt someone could use their own Soul Slayer against them. Unfortunatly the only time someone has tried is in filler (Jin Vs Ichigo before they went to Soul Society) and that just led to his Zanpakuto's Spirit materializing.
I'm still not sure what implications you meant... you'll hafta go into more detail I'm afraid (sorry if i'm being dumb, just come home from a particularly tiring shift and i'm knackered!)
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Post by Peishin Louh on Oct 14, 2008 16:46:02 GMT
@ Tort. I'd say the Shinigami did technically predate the Gotei 13.
Here's my line of reasoning, drawing comparisons between the development of soul society and the development of our modern day countries and armed forces. Please excuse a brief lecture;
In the most basic sense, structured governments and military forces grew when one warrior gathered other strong warriors around him and began protecting the wider community from outside threats. The region of control expanded as the leader gathered more warriors. Eventually some sort of internal order was called for and so the leader appointed lesser warriors as fuedal lords to rule individual areas in the wider area. Eventually a government formed, and after that, a standing army organised by the state (born from those most hideous of concepts - capitalism and efficiency... ick).
Ok lecture over. I did say it'd be brief XP
I see the time before Yamomoto as being a lot like this.
(Assuming the King started it all - otherwise, why's he so important?) The King began gathering souls of the dead together in order to protect them from Hollows, appointing stronger souls as warriors to protect the weaker individuals. As his army grew he nominated certain individuals as nobles as caretakers of groups of souls - thus leading to the development of noble families in the afterlife. This in turn eventually led to the development of a standing army, trained by state authority, led by appointed captains.
So, the warrior-souls that existed before the academy would have been, in effect, prototype shinigami. A kind of peasant militia in spiritual terms.
Again @tort. Why the edo period?
Most likely, because Kubo liked to draw their clothes and was probably a fan of all those vagabond ninja films we all love so much, but then, who can blame him? (Go Zatoichi!). It'd be hard to put it in terms of the King (again, assuming he started it all), as he would have been born several thousand years at least before the current day and the edo period ended (if i remember correctly) sometime between the 14th and 16th centuries.
Eek. I have other arguments, but this is already a long post, so I'll leave it at that for now.
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Post by The Tortured Soul on Oct 15, 2008 5:49:34 GMT
while the notion you came up with has already been said I like your take on it, involving the King.
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